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On the DEWLine 2.0: Dwight Williams ([personal profile] dewline) wrote2010-10-17 10:24 am

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Today, I start with a couple of thoughts.

One: Vacuuming needs be done this morning.

Two: Railfest 33 over at Algonquin College sounds interesting. Hoping to attend at least part of the fun there today.

Three: Angela Merkel is Wrong.

More thoughts on other topics later...

[identity profile] duncanmac.livejournal.com 2010-10-17 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Three: Angela Merkel is Wrong.

I assume you are reacting to this news item (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/10/16/germany-merkel-immigration-multiculturalism.html).

The problem is that, in a situation ominously similar to that found in the late Roman Empire, the immigrants (mainly Turks and Arabs) are failing (or, perhaps, refusing) to integrate into the (supposedly dominant) German/European culture.

Should we let history repeat itself and Islam (including Shari'a law and "honour killings") take over Europe? [Unfortunately, the most obvious alternative is try and increase the local birthrate and encourage more locals to learn the necessary skills. Funny how that isn't working -- women don't want to be baby factories and young people are more interested in doing other things, like being on the dole and watching TV.]

I hope I'm being cynical here ... but events like the murder of Theo van Gogh six years ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)#Assassination) make me feel that way. :-(

[identity profile] duncanmac.livejournal.com 2010-10-17 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't necessarily agree with (one of) her conclusions -- that Turks, Arabs and other Muslims may have to be excluded from Germany/Europe -- but some form of assimilation does seem to be called for.

[identity profile] radargrrl.livejournal.com 2010-10-17 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a part of me that is inclined to agree. Multiculturalism was supposed to be about embracing one's new country, but not having to forget about the one you left behind. It should not be about trying to transplant everything you left behind such that what you came over here for is completely ignored. I'm not just referring to things like observance and adoption of the culture and language(s) of the new country, but to things like leaving your own ethnic hatreds and battles behind.

[identity profile] duncanmac.livejournal.com 2010-10-17 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The fate of this Egyptian professor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasr_Abu_Zayd) also leaves a rather bad impression.

[identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com 2010-10-17 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
You assume correctly.

What I don't think Frau(?) Merkel understands - maybe she did understand at some points, but now needs one of those occasional reminders of? - is that multiculturalism isn't so much an experiment, but a process that all of humanity's undergoing whether we ever wanted it or not. And we've got to make this work, even if it turns out that there'll be other planets to go to and practical ways of getting to them.

And the same goes for the immigrants, guest workers, whatever we call them in turn. We are stuck with each other as neighbours. And we've already decided - with pockets full of lunatics vainly demanding their exemptions from this, as ever they have - that genocide is not an option.

More on this as we meditate in our respective corners, I'm sure.