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On the DEWLine 2.0: Dwight Williams ([personal profile] dewline) wrote2009-08-28 09:52 pm

Second Thoughts: Secret Warriors - SPOILERS

Okay. Some of you know that I've been a SHIELD/Nick Fury fan for a while now. So my interest in Secret Warriors won't be a surprise.

Some stuff's been going on in the last couple of issues that almost threw me out of the story. Now, I'm not so sure that Jonathan Hickman hasn't in fact thought things through.



Over the course of Secret Warriors # 4-7, Nick's been putting together a private army with eyes on sweeping the likes of HYDRA, Norman Osborn's HAMMER operation and other bona fide evildoers off the boards. First off, recruiting assorted remnants of SHIELD now operating as the Howling Commandos Private Military Contractors. Then stealing three Helicarriers right out from under HAMMER control in spite of some token resistance from HAMMER and some very strenuous objections from HYDRA. He got, along with those Helicarriers, some 3,000 extra volunteers from out of the HAMMER agents assigned to the base where the 'Carriers were docked.

That was in # 4-6, I believe.

He and his "Caterpillars" - a team of super-powered agents headed up by Daisy "Quake" Johnson, whom you may recall from Secret War and that whole mess in Latveria that backfired on NYC a year later - ripped off a HYDRA-owned Swiss bank to the tune of US$ 1.2 billion.

Now here's where my fiscal/logistical skepticism started to bubble up.

I figured this: I didn't know what the cost of running a Helicarrier every year was, but I was reasonably sure I could scare up figures for real-world "wet-navy" CVNs, which is technologically close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades. Surely, that money Nick took from Graf von Strucker wouldn't be enough to run even one carrier for more than a few months, let alone three for years?

Turns out, Wikipedia's entry on the Nimitz-class CVNs says the average per-annum on one of those CVNs is US$ 160 million.

So, the money's apparently not going to be a problem for the former Colonel Fury for a couple of years at least, barring surprise expenditures on the horizon or embezzlement by one of Nick's "Caterpillars". Neither of which I'm ruling out as plot developments as this series goes onward.

Finding enough crew to run each of those babies is going to be another matter, though. No way can you expect me to believe that each Helicarrier can run with barely a thousand people per "boat"!

[identity profile] mdg1.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Given how easily they were stolen, I think they are probably heavily automated. Plus, he's probably going to use them as strike platforms, so they only need staffing for combat positions only, as opposed to the large research & logistical crews they normally carry.

[identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
No doubt about the automation, Mario. Add to that the fact that Nick and his fill-ins and successors certainly made policy that would've reverse-engineered the Hell out of every ET gadget that looked relevant to making the 'Carriers more and more workable with as few crew as possible. Not denying that for a moment.

But they still need C³I, engine room, air wing at minimum, right?

[identity profile] mdg1.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Complement for a Nimitz boat is 3200, plus an additional 2480 for the air wing. But since we aren't talking about long deployments, I could see 1K running individual missions.

(As for the air wing... Fury doesn't really think in those terms).

Plus, in issue #6, he asks for 3 divisions worth of men. Assuming he meant US Army divisions, that's 10-20K per helicarrier.

Dum Dum will be a busy man...

[identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Point taken re: long deployments for the foreseeable future.

(How is he gonna keep'em secure for when he needs them? Can the new Howlers' UN contractual connections provide some kind of diplomatic/security cover from an Osborn-influenced USGov? What's the name of that agency the rest of the UN set up to fill SHIELD's boots after Washington forced them to disband?)

The key point of a CV - airborne or waterbound - is the portability of an air wing. So they're gonna need one for each of those babies. Assuming they've already got the planes, someone's got to fly'em and someone's gotta keep 'em fueled and fixed up.

Three divisions? Infantry? Oy. That money from the HYDRA bank isn't gonna last as long as I thought, is it? So whatever Nick's got planned, he's got to move with more speed.

[identity profile] mdg1.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Or he's going to hit a lot more banks....

[identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
That trick can't last forever, and Nick is smart enough to not rely on it too often anyway.

And while we're on the subject of those three divisions...

[identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
...if he is aiming for recruitment on that scale, that's going to draw a lot of law enforcement attention as well. Not to mention how lax their recruitment standards might have to be to get the numbers as quickly as I suspect Dum Dum's going to need them.

Re: And while we're on the subject of those three divisions...

[identity profile] mdg1.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 01:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Given that HAMMER is basically US-based, I assume there're a lot of disenfranchised SHIELD agents around the world he can tap into.

Re: And while we're on the subject of those three divisions...

[identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com 2009-08-29 01:39 pm (UTC)(link)
There's that. Expect HC PMC recruiters to hit the bars of the planet, then?

And maybe a few Legion Halls (http://legion.ca/) as well?